Portuguese cavalry seemed to be of basically one type and would equate to something like the British Light Dragoons. I have read somewhere that their horses were not very good, though better than the Spanish. The Spanish were supposedly the worst-mounted cavalry in Europe with regiments often reduced to a mounted compliment of around a squadron and the rest fighting on foot.

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Infantry basics including the famous brown uniform of the Cacadores, a very practical colour:

www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121261

I haven't got my books to hand but I believe either some Cacadore battalions were issued with the Baker rifle, or a sharpshooter company in every battalion (4 coys to a Btn) was so equipped, these men being hand-picked as the fittest, nimblest, the best shots and the most independently-minded.

EDIT: I think in the Portuguese army they were termed "Tiradores".

Flags:

www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/c_portflags.html

Artillery used British equipment and IIRC an all-blue uniform with red facings. There was no horse artillery as far as I'm aware.

Glad to hear Albuhera mentioned. Yes the British nearly did lose that one …. And a quite inappropriate and unnecessary battle at that.

The day was undoubtedly saved by the 57th Regiment of Foot in their stand against the French columns, an action described as “the” classic infantry encounter. Probably not equalled until the Angle and later Rourke’s Drift.

Please consider Beresford for the OOB’s. The 57th did feature in “Horse and Musket” in the old TC2M days (even though the uniform was not quite right) and I really did enjoy fighting my old, (but now regrettably long-gone) Regiment.

Tanks Saddletank, your info is always top notch.

Yea all regiments can be represented although the facings are all blue unfortunately, have white trousers. I could do another one with grey trousers just to mix it up abit. The Spanish infantry are done. I am next doing Portuguese infantry and cavalry and then flags, there are many do to, but i have pics for them all so just need to render them out.

If you want to mix things up a bit you can depict both British and Portuguese infantry in brown trousers. I'm never sure if these were a local expedient of some kind of offical winter weather issue. The brown I have most often seen in paintings is a reddish-orangey colour rather than a darker earthy tone.

The British shakos also came with the nifty black oilcloth cover which saves you having to make different crests and plumes for everyone!

I have also seen pictures of penninsula with the dark red/brown and rather baggy looking trousers, they only appear in the penninsula drawings though and have never seen reference to any official regulations so they might of been adopted due to the terrain by some soldiers.

I have done Portugese infantry and Cacadores. I have also done around 30 flags, some of the british regiments had royal warrents to display special symbols on them, mostly 1st to 10th regiments, foot guards are also present. Ive done all regiments regardless even if they didnt fight in europe as i wasnt sure and wanted to not have to add flags later. Going to to Portugese and Spanish flags today, and i need to do cavalry flags.

I have two OOBs so far for Sandbox, Rolica and Vimiero. They are balanced OOBs, in particular Rolica and only have the regiments that fought otherwise Rolica would be very one sided in Sandbox. I am enjoying making this very much.

oi gun. go take a look on the other site.
i got a good selection of meaty vollyfire sounds.
and a good british army load aim fire sequence. cheers

The oilcloth cover on the Shako came in very handy when I was painting Brits in 15mm. Anything to get them done faster and on the field.

Also, another thought on the brown trousers on British/KGL troops - Supply. Even though the British were "reasonably" well supplied, there were always times when troops would have to make due when the trains could not keep up, OR when some well-meaning pencilhead might send the wrong items forward. (Those of you who have time in Service will recognize that, eh?).

Looking forward to these lads, Gun.

Jack

From what I've seen the oil cloth cover was only really used in the 1815 campaign at Waterloo. The Stovepipe shako was the primary British headgear in Spain. They switched to the Belgic Shako towards the end of the Peninsular War, and wore them at Waterloo.

Yes, fair point, not too much rain in the Iberian Peninsula. I can't recall if there was a cover for the stove pipe but I am sure there was. The early/revolutionary-period (Low Countries campaigns) had a cover for the officers bicorne so perhaps they were only issued in certain theatres where it was thought there was more chance of wet weather. Shakos could crumple up into very odd shapes after prolonged exposure to rain.

Ive realised to get the brits fighting in 2 ranks im going to need a whole new drills file due to the hierarchy of formations, its on the to do list. Flags are done for britain, portugal and spain and now tweaking the toolbar to show british icons. almost there . The reason its taking so long is purely down to time to to do it, but it is always progressing.

Small update:


Vistula Uhlans model is done and next will be rendered out. from this angle you cant make it out but they are wearing the czapka hat.

Just wanted to check with someone who knows about Vistula legion infantry, in the peninsula did they fight in any non-siege battles?

Is it possible to replace the default "replacement commanders" list with something more suitable to the nationality of the OOB. In the Civil war, of course, the same "rank /given name / surname" data will serve for both armies but in Wagram you would need a discrete list for each side.

I played a particularly destructive Wagram game a couple of nights ago and it seemed as though both armies ended up officered by US mercenaries.

Ha

Yeah, this file is modifiable, however there's just one file, so you'll have to decide which European country will supply your mercenary officers.

There's some great campaign dress shots here. I always thought the brown trousers for Brits were a local solution to wear and tear. They must have been a sight....and a smell!

www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55524&page=89

Great work Gunship.

Gunship, you are a true artist. I know the amount of effort involved. Good Job!!!

Thanks Crikey and all for the comments. Those campaign pics certainly make my graphics look very clean! From looking at those im going to do another british line, either looking a bit dirtier of with brown trousers to give the brits some mixed look.

About the commander names, RebBugler has it right, there is only one file. I suppose if i think hard enough i could come up with a file of names that could be used across all armies but it wouldnt be very long.

If you recruited your French troops from Alsace they would all have good German sounding names ! However they all seem to be Graf von this and Conte de that in the OOB's. The rank names would also be quite different also between the two armies. Not a new problem. Horse and Musket had the same difficulty and same bizarre results.

I wonder just how difficult it would ultimately be amend to incorporate this requirement ? There were no other Civil Wars worth mentioning around at the time and the only potential opponents of the period who might speak the same language and share a list of names were the Austrians and the Germans and even then the "Austrians" came from all over the Balkans.

If we are seriously moving into Napoleonic / Peninsular mods perhaps this matter needs to be addressed. We might well need lists of sufficiently aristocratic-sounding names for French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Dutch, Scottish and Irish Officers. Even English ... I can't imagine a replacement Brigade commander in the Brigade of Guards being called Norb Washington .... Tristam Wellesley, more like. Better start ordering some EU telephone directories.

How it might work with the mixed nationality armies of the period suggests more headaches. The OOB would at least need to hold a code for the nationality of units. Would this be at Brigade level ? I seem to recall historical occurrences of Brigades of differing nationality in the same Division. I'm sure Wellington used to stiffen the Dutch/ Belgian Divisions by embedding a British/Scottish/Irish Brigade from time to time.

But actually the whole thing is a bit of a nonsense anyway. In real life, in the event of a death in combat, the senior commander at the next level down would take over in the short term ..... might be a unit commander, might be the second-in-command, might be the senior staff officer .... all depends on seniority in the Army List .... modified by ability to communicate. i.e. existing names would be shuffled up or across into new commands rather than new names invented. The death of a Lieutenant-General could likely generate forty or more resultant moves down the OOB structure.

It would however need a great, great deal of attrition, of Russian Front magnitude, for a Captain genuinely to end up commanding a Division, a circumstance which the random "rank/given name/surname" generation process of SOWGB achieves fairly often.

Far more Senior Officers somehow contrive to die in SOWGB in a couple of hours than ever died in the real ACW over a series of campaigns.. Makes the problem of replacement in the game look a lot worse than it really was.

I do like to take these games seriously though and I hate it when I have to conclude "But that just looks silly"

Hi all
With reference to the replacement names would it be possible to make multiple copies of the replroster file name them replroster1,2,3 etc and fill them with names that are appropriate for whatever theatre of war that is required.then rename the file back to replroster when required. This was what was done for the stock toolbar in TC2M

Remus

All,

Goeff is smack on the money here - There were enough Officers on both sides with various German or French sounding names that a list containing a vsriety of French/German/English-sounding names would be more than sufficient. Tip o' the hat to you, sir.

Jack

remus wrote:


If it were possible I'd think we'd already have separate Reb and Yank lists. But, if it was possible with TC2M, then maybe for SOW.

ADukes is the answer man here...calling, ring ring, somewhere in Europe. We'll either get a "Nope", or a puzzle to solve.

RebBugler wrote:
Hehehe, you could get some unusual officers if you mixed French and German names: Klaus du Perpignon, or Eduard von Staffelbach

@ Reb - methinks Norb and the boys need to think outside the box a bit more for future modders and provide things like officerlistarmy1 and officerlistarmy2, etc.

(maybe even list3 and list4 if someone wants to make a mod where British and French troops fight alongside the Rebs!)

Saddletank wrote:


I was thinking the exact same thing! The game is designed to pull names for a file. I dont see this being a major change in the code to look for a certain file depending on which side the officer just died on, im no designer though. From making this mod i have a list of items that would give better flexibilty to both modders and to the stock game. I'll add this to it, and wasnt to pass it on to somone. I know most of it probably cant be done but you never know .

Hey Gunship24

Fantastic work on this mod and looking forward to the other nations inclusion - In the mean time I just wondered if there is there a Battle of Marango(1800)OOB out there as I would look to give it a whirl

Hey gunship,

as always - wonderfull work with the small update. I really want to thank you for putting so much work into this mod. If you need anything translated into german, just PM me its my natural language.
I think im going to play another round now

Cheers

Thanks Zeke, and He111 for the offer, glad to know theres some help out there .

No new update today .

I just noticed that the two posts above yours Gunship, were from WW2 combat aircraft. And then you're a gunship... strange world thus internetty thing.

hehe that is spooky .

I have added a British wagon and Driver Corps, which basically look like light dragoons pre 1812. The units i have done now are:

British - Mounted General and Officers, Foot artillery, horse artillery, Light Dragoons (2 uniform types), Light Infantry, Line Infantry (2 uniform types with white and brown trousers), Driver Corps, 95th Rifles, Highland infantry (with kilt), KGL light infantry.

Spanish - Line Infantry

Portuguese - Line Infantry, Cacadores (light infantry)

French - Vistula Uhlans, Swiss Infantry

There are also approx 20 new flag. So almost done. A few more unit types to do. If anyone knows of any unit unit used in the later years of the war that isnt represented feel free to say, im sure theres many ive missed, e.g Brunswick Oels maybe?

oi boss!
if im seeing highland infantry,do that mean we need period pipe music?
if yes,im on it! cheers

KGL heavy dragoons would be my vote. Or British line inf in grey trousers for variation (since any OOB will have a lot of them).

Is your Spanish infantry unit an early or late war one? Late war Wellington used a couple of formations that became fairly profiient as the campaign moved up into the Pyrenees (Morillo's Division for example). These had the late style uniform that used a stovepipe style shako.

If your Spanish inf is already the late war type then I would ask for an early war Spanish inf unit in bicornes or even a Grenadier unit with those spectacular cloth-backed grenadier caps.

Just one Spanish troop type isn't very much use. You are better off doing none or several.

Early Spanish (such as were at Talavera):



Late Spanish:



Grenadiers:



Or how about a Spanish guerilla figure (or several!):



Spanish Carabineros:



Also... here's a real problem for the sprite count!



Battalion of Clavijo (Third Volunteers of Leon) Battle of Medina de Ríoseco 1808. I seriously love that picture!

scratch my comment above,found some stuff i recorded back in the '80s.
dont listen to it if your near anyone you dislike,you'll end up thumping 'em!
i'll put it on micks site tomorrow. cheers
edit; just looked at that bottom picture,saddletank.
thats brilliant!do you know any story to it? cheers