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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 5 months, 2 weeks ago #211

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I recently bought this game in the steam sale, and although it claims to come with this mod, whatever steam supplied does not work the way this mod currently works. So, i downloaded the version from this forum and everything seems to be working as intended, except that my French infantry are not standing in three deep line as stated in the list of features. They are still standing two ranks deep.

Is there something I need to do to make this happen?


With the Grog Toolbar French line formations are three deep, no exceptions. As they lose troops the line will shrink but the three lines deep will maintain it's integrity. I'm guessing you played a stock scenario through the Waterloo scenarios section. The stock scenarios don't work properly with mods, in fact they usually crash. I've included the stock scenarios with the Grog Toolbar mod so they can be played through the User Scenarios section with no issues. If this is your issue please try again. Thanks for the report and I would appreciate feedback on whether my guess is correct, otherwise I'll look into this matter.


I've been talking to someone on the Steam forum about mods and he has just told me pretty much the same thing.

Bit of a crock in my opinion. Why have the developers blocked mod improvements to the core game, may as well shoot yourself through the head and be done with it.

But I'll have a look tonight and see if I can find these user scenario's you mention. Normally, I wouldn't bother playing anything other than the campaign game, but if user scenario's is the only way to play with all the improvements then I'll give it a go.


Yeah, on the surface it appears to be a "Bit of a crock". However, once you understand how mods work in WL, it should be clear sailing. With the previous games not having mods affecting the stock scenarios was necessary so folks couldn't use modded files to help them achieve Major Victory scores. These scores in turn were recorded and could be eventually sent in to award players General's bars of success plus their name was listed on an elite 'Generals List'. With WL this procedural feature was axed primarily because of a pressing release deadline based on the 200th anniversary of the battle that was obviously beyond our control.
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months, 1 week ago #212

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Hi, I have this problem with the last implementation of the toolbar.
I just bought the game from Steam, also one of the DLC.
If i run the game without the toolbar all go perfectly.
If I activate the toolbar, some times the game run ok..some others..when the first time i move a unit and then I push the kkeep formation button (the green line formation to be precise) the game crash.
This happen all the time in the same scenario that i push the button.
In others scenario I can play for hours...
It's a my mistake or some others have reported a problem like me?
Thx.
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months, 1 week ago #213

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The Joker wrote:
Hi, I have this problem with the last implementation of the toolbar.
I just bought the game from Steam, also one of the DLC.
If i run the game without the toolbar all go perfectly.
If I activate the toolbar, some times the game run ok..some others..when the first time i move a unit and then I push the kkeep formation button (the green line formation to be precise) the game crash.
This happen all the time in the same scenario that i push the button.
In others scenario I can play for hours...
It's a my mistake or some others have reported a problem like me?
Thx.


Attention: All SP scenarios played with this mod must be selected through the 'User Scenarios' screen, otherwise they will CTD.
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months, 1 week ago #214

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roy64 wrote:
Attention: All SP scenarios played with this mod must be selected through the 'User Scenarios' screen, otherwise they will CTD.

I thought that was understood.
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months, 1 week ago #215

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C'mon guys, you can do better than that. He's obviously a new player, he just bought the game, and the game now comes with the newest grog tool bar, so there's no reason he would have come here to download it, and therefore wouldnt know about playing through the user scenario tab. It's perfectly understandable that he wouldn't have known this.


Hey Joker, the grog toolbar is designed to only work through the user scenarios tab. When you activate the grog toolbar in the modifications tab(make sure you click use selected mods as well) all of the stock Waterloo scenarios will now appear in the user scenarios tab. The DLCs automatically install in both the Waterloo battles tab as well as the user scenarios tab, so you don't need to do anything special for the DLCs.

All you have to remember is when using the grog tool bar to always play through the user sceanrios tab. Trying to play through the Waterloo battles tab can both make the game crash, as well as making many functions of the grog toolbar not work at all.

Hope this helps. Have fun
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months, 1 week ago #216

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Thanks guys for steering Joker straight.

I think it's time to eliminate this issue. Providing a mod that causes crashes is never a good idea regardless of numerous 'Don't touch this button' warnings. So, how about we just eliminate the 'Waterloo Scenarios' button when the Grog Toolbar is activated. Only downside is that the player won't have access to the nice maps and selection icons eye candy.

Anyone seeing any other downsides to this change?
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months ago #217

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DarkRob wrote:
C'mon guys, you can do better than that. He's obviously a new player, he just bought the game, and the game now comes with the newest grog tool bar, so there's no reason he would have come here to download it, and therefore wouldnt know about playing through the user scenario tab. It's perfectly understandable that he wouldn't have known this.

That's a good point, and thank you for reminding me.

In fact, does the steam version even include the User Scenario's?

I bought my version of SOWW through steam, including the Grog Toolbar, and seem to remember that not only is the version supplied by steam out of date, but it doesn;t come with the full set of User Scenario's. So, in fact I couldn't use it and had tp disable it until I found this site and managed to download an up- to day copy.

Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months ago #218

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Didz wrote:
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C'mon guys, you can do better than that. He's obviously a new player, he just bought the game, and the game now comes with the newest grog tool bar, so there's no reason he would have come here to download it, and therefore wouldnt know about playing through the user scenario tab. It's perfectly understandable that he wouldn't have known this.

That's a good point, and thank you for reminding me.

In fact, does the steam version even include the User Scenario's?

I bought my version of SOWW through steam, including the Grog Toolbar, and seem to remember that not only is the version supplied by steam out of date, but it doesn;t come with the full set of User Scenario's. So, in fact I couldn't use it and had tp disable it until I found this site and managed to download an up- to day copy.


Now it does, but back when you bought the game it didn't. With the release of the collectors edition/1.02 the newest grog toolbar with the waterloo scenarios already in the user scenario tab comes loaded with the game when you buy it.
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months ago #219

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Thx DarkRob,
You are right...I bought the game only two days before the post.
Fortunally I come to Your You Tube channel so I start to follow Your video and I'm learning faster.
Now I can use the Grog toolbar without crash...probably my fault that I didn't noticed that it must be used only with user scenario.
Thx again.

Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months ago #220

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I bought the Steam copy and it came with an early version of the toolbar...
I noticed it only when I downloaded the latest copy, go to the mod enable panel and found that I have already another copy (named slight different) of the bar...

Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 2 months ago #221

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Update 5.5

- Waterloo and User Scenarios are merged into one 'Scenarios' button

As promised, after needless CTD's, a simple solution

- Pause and Resume text buttons are replaced by standard pause/play icons
The long French names kept overlapping the pause text making for messy displays at times. The replacement icons should help tidy things up.

New Single Player Window...

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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 1 month, 3 weeks ago #222

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How do you patch to 1.01 the Steam Version of SOW WL? When I use the new 5.5 version of the tool bar I get an incomplete version (no formations bar etc) of this tool bar. 5.4 works fine.

Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 1 month, 3 weeks ago #223

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Duplicate post due to server lag.

Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 1 month, 3 weeks ago #224

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Rico2016 wrote:
How do you patch to 1.01 the Steam Version of SOW WL? When I use the new 5.5 version of the tool bar I get an incomplete version (no formations bar etc) of this tool bar. 5.4 works fine.

I don't think you can.

In theory Steam will automatically update mods and workshop content via the subscription mechanism. But as far as I know because the Grog Toolbar was supplied as part of the original game package so it falls outside the workshop system and doesn't benefit from its automatic update function.

Likewise, Steam will automatically update your game to the latest steam released version, so SOWWL itself should be kept up to date, but because the Grog Toolbar isn't actually part of the game proper it also falls outside this process.

I think if you want the latest version you will need to download and instal it yourself. At least this is what I did and here is a link to a guide explaining how I did it.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=974752629
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 1 month, 3 weeks ago #225

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Didz wrote:
Rico2016 wrote:
How do you patch to 1.01 the Steam Version of SOW WL? When I use the new 5.5 version of the tool bar I get an incomplete version (no formations bar etc) of this tool bar. 5.4 works fine.

I don't think you can.

In theory Steam will automatically update mods and workshop content via the subscription mechanism. But as far as I know because the Grog Toolbar was supplied as part of the original game package so it falls outside the workshop system and doesn't benefit from its automatic update function.

Likewise, Steam will automatically update your game to the latest steam released version, so SOWWL itself should be kept up to date, but because the Grog Toolbar isn't actually part of the game proper it also falls outside this process.

I think if you want the latest version you will need to download and instal it yourself. At least this is what I did and here is a link to a guide explaining how I did it.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=974752629


Certainly appreciate this help in steering the Steam folks on the right path to using SOW mods. Finally got around to reading your link and was very impressed by the presentation. Just one thing to question though, you mention having to restart the game after enabling or dis-enabling mods. This was fixed with one of the last patches, an hour glass appears now when changing out mods, with no restart necessary. Has this been fixed with the latest Steam version?
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Re: Expanded Toolbar - Grog 1 month, 3 weeks ago #226

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RebBugler wrote:
Certainly appreciate this help in steering the Steam folks on the right path to using SOW mods. Finally got around to reading your link and was very impressed by the presentation. Just one thing to question though, you mention having to restart the game after enabling or dis-enabling mods. This was fixed with one of the last patches, an hour glass appears now when changing out mods, with no restart necessary. Has this been fixed with the latest Steam version?

I've just checked this in-game and it does appear that it's now possible to enable and disable mods without needing to restart the entire game. Obviously you still need to restart your current scenario to make the changes.

Thank you for pointing this out and I'll make the appropriate changes to my steam guide.
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