Occupying Buildings

Let's talk about the issues in converting the SOW engine to handle Waterloo. Ideas, suggestions, feature requests, comments.
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Over a month later and this is still an issue. I can't believe the game was released with gaping issues such as this. And the nerve to ask almost $60 for it, unacceptable.
Wow slow your roll. Have you ever played any games before? Bugs happen. This game is actually very bug-free. One minor issue that has already been acknowledged by the devs and you're flipping out? Goodness gracious.

You should be thankful that the devs are as involved as they are with communicating and feedback - most games you would NEVER get this level of interaction.
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Thanks everyone.

We hate that any bug got past us. We actually spotted something identical to this one months ago, tested and fixed it, but obviously some unidentified combination of variables slipped though. We will get it fixed soon.
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It seems this has been talked about quite some time ago, but im confused. ive played this particular map like 10 times. Are you supposed to just shoot and batter that fort until it submits? it would seem so because ive run all my soldiers directly into the building and they just mill around and dont actually enter it, or if they enter, the flag just floats around for awhile and they come back out. i always get annihilated. i have the most recent patch and i have the grog toolbar. if im supposed to just line my brigades up next to the fort and let them shoot for half an hour, then i'll do that, but it seems like the game wants me to attack the fort. its not in my nature to just sit it out and watch. thanks.
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Are you supposed to just shoot and batter that fort until it submits?
Correct! The more infantry you have firing into it the faster it will fall. Artillery helps by beating down it's defensive effectiveness. Try WL03, those forts in this scenario will fall within the scenario's time limit fairly easily if you use all your battalions to beat them down. Forts may be occupied once the enemy's flag(s) disappears and you see them retreating from the fort.

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Consider what happened in the battle - the French attempted to storm both Hougoumont and La Haye Sainte with close quarter assaults and were beaten back several times. Hougoumont was screened by a wood and there was a 20 to 30 yard wide killing ground between the wood and the garden wall. British artillery on the ridge and supporting units covered the west flank. It was impossible to approach for hand to hand combat, particularly with the 8 foot wall - impossible to climb without ladders or short range artillery to batter a hole. The east side was opposite the centre of the Allied line and it therefore could not be flanked that way.

La Haye Sainte had similar height walls and the north side was close to the Allied centre. Hand to hand combat just did not work. The software allows only 2 forms of combat, melee and ranged and therefore using ranged fire (especially artillery if you have it) is the better option to represent house fighting of this kind. This is what NSD chose and I think it works best in this case.
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sometimes when i play a battle, afterwards when i click on stats, the game crashes.... any ideas how that can be fixed or why it might happen? thanks. i appreciate you getting back to me on the other thing. love the game! good work!
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There is an SOWWL.log file in the My Documents/SOWWL folder. That log file may give a clue as to what is causing the crash.
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Hey Reb. Previously this had never been an issue for me, but today one my viewers reported that he could not occupy La Haye Sainte in the La Haye Sainte brigade scenario, and none of what I suggested was working for him. Out of answers, I had to try it for myself to see if it would happen for me, and indeed it did.

Units can no longer occupy the La Haye Sainte farmhouse. This had never been an issue for me before, so Im wondering if there was some fix for it you had previously implemented to the grog toolbar for this issue that then may have gotten accidentally reverted? Possibly when you were adapting the Grog Toolbar to work with the Les Cent Jours mod?
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Hey Reb. Previously this had never been an issue for me, but today one my viewers reported that he could not occupy La Haye Sainte in the La Haye Sainte brigade scenario, and none of what I suggested was working for him. Out of answers, I had to try it for myself to see if it would happen for me, and indeed it did.

Units can no longer occupy the La Haye Sainte farmhouse. This had never been an issue for me before, so Im wondering if there was some fix for it you had previously implemented to the grog toolbar for this issue that then may have gotten accidentally reverted? Possibly when you were adapting the Grog Toolbar to work with the Les Cent Jours mod?
I remember that bug, it has nothing to do with the Grog Toolbar. It had to do with an issue caused by retreating troops in the fort that are carried over from WL04. Since they're retreating they don't show up, but still occupy the fort. That bug was fixed with a patch, we, the team, all tested it and confirmed it as fixed. Maybe Matrix left that patch fix out with their multiple patch download debacle.

To test if it's the carryover issue go in the scenario.ini file of scenario WL05 and type a semicolon in front of the line: ;CarryOverFrom=WL04-Count d'Erlon's Attack (F-Corps)_. If that fixes it then we can assume that the patch to fix it got lost in the ozone of Matrix patch downloads.

Please report back of the results. If it works with that fix I'll eliminate that carryover sequence in the Grog Toolbar version and just offer the scenario as is.
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