More Modded OOBs...for now...

[Jack ONeill]

LN,

Excellent!

Jack B)

[Jack ONeill]

All,

Here is an addendum to my previous post on Oudinots' 2nd. Corps.

The 2nd. Corps in 1809 was originally to be commanded by Marachal Jean Lannes. Oudinot was given command at the start of the Campaign as Lannes was still enroute from Spain. Lannes took over command just prior to Aspern-Essling, where he managed to get himself killed towards the end of the 2nd. days fighting. Qudinot was promoted to Corps command following Lannes' death. There is some information that Lannes arrived in time for the end of Eckmuhl, but I can't nail that down.

The 2nd. Corps was at one time called "Oudinots' Grenadier Corps." As best I can discover, sometime during the 1806-07 Campaign in Germany and Poland, a large number of Grenadier companies from most of the French Army were drawn together as converged Grenadier Battalions of 4 companies each. These were formed into 2, possibly 3 Divisions, under the command of Oudinot, as a kind of special assault force. After the campaign, it was disbanded and the Grenadier compaines were returned to their respective Battalions.

In 1809, the 2nd. Crops was reconstituted. With Oudinot in temporary command, the Grenadier name came back. This was possibly an intelligence move by the Emperor, to confuse the Austrians. As explained previously, the 2nd. Corps in 1809 was far from the Grenadier-inspired unit of 1806-07.

I just wanted to get that out there for those of you who know, and for those of you who might want to know.

Jack B)

[PANGI]

I just wanted to get that out there for those of you who know, and for those of you who might want to know.

That's me. Just today i played a battle in sandbox with teugen-hausen oob and wondering:" wasnt that lannes who commanded the 2nd corps before wagram?" now i know...

i just observed that in that oob is one light regiment which has 0 men and corps artillery had only one gun...maybe some error in oob

[Jack ONeill]

Pangi,

Yes there is a ghost unit or two. Beef Stu and I have tried to get rid of it/them. They show up differently when you chose different game paly such as Hunt them down our line of site. Very weird.

Jack B)

[Jack ONeill]

Also,

The 2nd. Corps under Napoleon in Germany was tied directly to the Army of Germany. There was also a 2nd. Corps in Spain, under Soult, I believe.

Jack B)

[Jack ONeill]

All,

Currently working on an OOB for Aspern-Essling. Yes, I know we're not crossing the Danube on our Gettysburg map, but humor me.

I will be including some new units and and unit types. Basic Austrians and French - no problem. I will be including a (small) Brigade of Austrian Grenadiers and a (small) Division of Austrian Dragoons - they were historically counted as Heavy Cavalry by the Austrians.
I will also be including a Brigade of the Young Guard for the French. Since we currently have no Guard troop sprites, I will use the French Line Grenadiers as a substitute. Is this cool?

Questions to you all - What rating should I give the Young Guard? I'm thinking a "7" since they were relatively new to the Guard and had not seen combat as an organized unit. Later on, with more Guard troop types, I'll go with "8" for the Middle Guard and "9" for the Old Guard.

Next - Since we have no Cuirassier sprites as yet, Should I add in some French Dragoons to balance the Austrians? There were no Dragoons in Germany until Prince Eugene brought the French-Italian Army of Italy up to reinforce the Emperor at Wagram. They were all tied down in Spain. "OR" should I just increase the French Light Cavalry numbers? That would be easy.

The OOB will probably end up being around 40,000 men per side. This would be a bit less than half of the real numbers that fought this battle.

Gentlemen, your thoughts?

Jack B)

[Jack ONeill]

Okay,

At the risk of sounding completely useless, Does anyone have the following info - How many battalions in each Middle/Young Guard Regiment AND how big they were? I can find tons of info on their fighting ability and when their freaking names changed and whatnot, but not the pertinent info.
Also, the Middle Guard Regiments were not called the Middle Guard until 1811. Until then, they were part of the Young Guard.
AND - I think a rating of "8" will do nicely, giving all the information I have read in these last days.

Thanks.

Jack B)

[redcoat]

after the standardisation of 1812 all regts of the old,middle ang young guard had 2 battalions, each of these having 4 companys. numbers tended to vary from regiment to regiment but 220-250 per company seems to be about the norm. some regts were larger than others dependant on losses etc.
i have details on composition etc if its of any use. cheers

[gunship24]

My source says that at Aspern-Essling the Young Guard had:

Brigade Rouget
Tirailleur chasseurs 2 battalions (1,334)
Tirailleur grenadiers 2 battalions (1,116)

Brigade Gros
Fusilier chasseurs 2 battalions (1,272)
Fusilier grenadiers 2 battalions (1,313)


For uniforms I would pick the Line Voltiguer for chasseurs and Line Grenadiers for grenadiers. For simplicity the Tirailleur's could be rated as better than the Fusilier's.

[Jack ONeill]

Excellent Gentlemen! Thank you.

I had read the two Battalions per Regiment aspect somewhere but couldn't place the dates. Thanks for the numbers. Great idea on the troop types. Disagree slightly on the ratings - the Fusiliers Grenadiers/Chassuers were the senior regiments, raised in 1806. Probably should have the higher ratings. The Tirellieurs were raised in 1809, just prior to the Campaign in Germany.

Jack B)