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Braxton Bragg wrote:

I understand there is still Racism in the North you know....the home of Emancipation

True, you can find racism almost anywhere you care to look. Only in the south was it enshrined; Jim crow laws, segregation of schools, toilets and public seating.

In 1831, he married Mary Anna Randolph Custis, the step-great-granddaughter of America’s first president, George Washington. Of their seven children, all three sons served in the Confederate Army while his four daughters all died unmarried.

Lee’s inheritance

Lee’s father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, died, leaving his estate to his only child, Mary, Lee’s wife. The estate was in chaos, with the terms of Custis’ will requiring that all his slaves be emancipated within five years. The estate included hundreds of acres of land and hundreds of slaves. It was also poorly managed and in debt. Still, Lee and his wife managed, in spite of the war, to free all the slaves by 1862.

Besides his determination to free his father-in-law’s slaves, Lee supported his wife’s efforts to relocate freed slaves to Liberia, and supported her illegal school for slaves at Arlington Plantation. Lee further suggested, near the end of the war, that slaves should be enlisted into the Confederate Army and emancipated in return for military service.

@MTG - Well of course slavery was NOT GOOD (I guess you didn't read the part where I said that NO HUMAN BEING has the right to own another HUMAN BEING). Of course that's my personal opinion on the matter.....and cannot speak for others.

But again, I will point out that SLAVERY was protected, at this time in American History, by the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Which, more so than less, contradicted itself by turning around and saying that it was wrong.....then, engaging in hostilities, all the while at the same time for nearly the first two years of the War, maintained that protection of slavery, until the Emancipation Proclamation.

Sarge

Braxton Bragg wrote:

Besides his determination to free his father-in-law’s slaves, Lee supported his wife’s efforts to relocate freed slaves to Liberia, and supported her illegal school for slaves at Arlington Plantation.

Ah, more of the Lost Cause mythology. Let's see what Lee had to say. I'm afraid the marble man had feet of clay.

In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

—Robert E. Lee, letter to his wife on slavery (December 27, 1856)

JC Edwards wrote:

Well of course slavery was NOT GOOD

That's like saying that for a car, the Yugo is NOT GOOD. You still failed to answer my question. Is slavery good or is it evil?

They only wanna know what they wanna say!
Northern Folk will only see what they want to see, pick out the bits that suit their creed!
they can never admit to there guilt over slavery or there guilt and shame over the war!

I have never owned slaves lol that would make me very very old :laugh:

So having not owned slaves I can with a clean conscience say I emperthise with the South as it is now
and as it was then, I am 63 now, and have studied since 1965 the War between the states
And my love of the South has grown and grown, the slave thing, well you know my feelings on that!

I do not understand that you as a nation still have this divide. You hate your own Southern brothers
even after all the killing, the hate you have is still there and I fear will be forever.

Braxton Bragg

Braxton Bragg wrote:

Lee’s father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, died, leaving his estate to his only child, Mary, Lee’s wife. The estate was in chaos, with the terms of Custis’ will requiring that all his slaves be emancipated within five years. The estate included hundreds of acres of land and hundreds of slaves. It was also poorly managed and in debt. Still, Lee and his wife managed, in spite of the war, to free all the slaves by 1862.

Let's check the will. Nope, it would seem that Lee didn't inherit them. He was merely the executor of the will and took his own sweet time in freeing them. I guess poor Bobby needed the free labor.

And upon the legacies to my four granddaughters being paid, and my estates that are required to pay the said legacies, being clear of debts, then I give freedom to my slaves, the said slaves to be emancipated by my executors in such manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper, the said emancipation to be accomplished in not exceeding five years from the time of my decease.

And I do constitute and appoint as my executor Lieut. Col. Robert Edward Lee, Robert Lee Randolph, of Eaton View, Rt. Rev. Bishop Meade, and George Washington Peter.

This will written by my hand, is signed, sealed, and executed the twenty-sixth day of March, eighteen hundred and fifty-five.
George Washington Parke Custis (Seal)
26th March, 1855
Witnesses:
Martha Custis Williams
M. Eugene Webster
Source: Historic Arlington, By Karl Decker and Angus McSween, pages 80-81 / Leslie S. Smyth, Contributor

Let's see what Lee had to say. I'm afraid the marble man had feet of clay.

Feet of clay or not he Whooped your arse!! :laugh:



I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times they are not forgotten,
In Dixie Land where I was born in, early on one frosty morning,


Southrons, hear your country call you, up, lest worse than death befall you!
To arms! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!
Lo! all the beacon fires are lighted, let all hearts be now united!
To arms! To arms! To arms, in Dixie!

Advance the flag of Dixie! Hurrah! Hurrah!
In Dixie's land we take our stand,
And live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

Hear the Northern thunders mutter! Northern flags in South winds flutter!
Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance!



Fear no danger! Shun no labor! Lift up rifle, pike, and sabre!
Shoulder pressing close to shoulder, let the odds make each heart bolder!



How the South's great heart rejoices at your cannon's ringing voices!
For faith betrayed and pledges broken, wrongs inflicted, insults spoken,



Strong as lions, swift as eagles, back to their kennels hunt these beagles!
Cut the unequal bonds asunder! Let them hence each other plunder!



Swear upon your country's altar never to submit or falter
Till the spoilers are defeated, till the Lord's work is completed!


Halt not till our Federation Secures among earth's powers its station!
Then at peace and crowned with glory, hear your children tell the story!



If the loved ones weep in sadness, victory soon shall bring them gladness
Exultant pride soon vanish sorrow; smiles chase tears away to-morrow!










Braxton Bragg

You're right Bragg, in the fact that, While being buried with the "shame on the South" and the "slavery was evil" diatribe by those most honorable and morally stright victors of the north. That they do fail to acknowledge that slavery was LEGAL and PROTECTED by the UNITED STATES of AMERICA for almost half of the war. I could go on to list the personal quotes of his most holy "Honest" Abe Lincoln, but we all know them well..."If i could preserve the union without freeing slaves i would...blah, blah, blah. Slavery was fine with Federal Government, right up until the battlefield losses had those in the north grumbling about continuing on with the war...then it was "emancipation time", you know, another excuse to pacify those in the north that wanted out of the war, and to add a dose of moral obligation and right to the reasons for fighting it.

"What I do say is, that no man is good enough to govern another man, without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle - the sheet anchor of American republicanism."

Another little Abe Lincoln gem....evidently, he forgot that he felt this way, when he ordered an invasion of the south, so that he could continue to govern over those states who had legally seceeded, because they didn't want to be governed by him...guess the folks in the states that seceeded, didn't find him good enough.

As for being branded a ________(fill in the blank) by someone for having Southern sympathies, or appreciating the grit shown by the people of the south while facing overwhelming odds.

So be it...I care little about those types of opinions, and have probably been called worse...by better and more qualified people.

Braxton Bragg wrote:

Feet of clay or not he Whooped your arse!

Ah yes, another commandment of the Lost Cause mythology, the south didn't loose, they just decided to quit fighting. :laugh:

Very well put Sarge Fancy that! A Northern people supporting slavery the very idea!
And being anti black as well outragous!!
As for Sherman.... well how brave of him to march against Georgia....lemme see.... oh yeah! he was opposed
by women and children

What a Fine General, Officer & Gentleman.
I understand there is still Racism in the North you know....the home of Emancipation :whistle:

Braxton Bragg

He was opposed by numerous forces of Georgian militia and Joseph Wheeler's cavalry. John Bell Hood abandoned Georgia by attacking Tennessee. There was literally nothing to be gained from the taking of Tennessee; and Sherman did not care. He had the manpower to deal with Hood's whole army (sending the Army of the Ohio) and continued on into Georgia.

As for the continental empire, I assure you Bragg, it is not rubbish. Even in the 'Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War' (AKA, The Book That Drools Over the Confederacy)the author mentions the Confederacy's desires to gain Cuba.