Stannard on the Flank

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bscottskangum wrote:
RebBugler wrote:
This one is tough. I took the cowardly approach to score adequately. Hold, retreat, distract, then hold again while continuing to distract. Let the Rebs pass through or you're hamburger. Once through, keep them distracted with two regs as you hold with another. Also, depends on the variant for this to be successful. I'm disclosing my lowly tactics, because the timing here is the key, and everyone will have to figure that out. And, there may be another, more honorable way, to win...but with these green Yanks, I have my doubts.
And you got more than 5000 pts doing this?
This was my last report on this one, Feb. 21, and considering the score, I believe the VP was worth 200 ppm. Obviously, some adjustments have been made since.

GB19-July3-Codori, Stannard on the Flank (U-Brig) Score: 10,007 Major Victory

Action started 13 minutes in, held VP another 5 minutes or so then my conscripts were swept away. I managed to lead one regiment to safety, then, when the Rebs left the VP, I snuck back to the VP and held it uncontested the last 30 minutes. My casualty count was a negative 4 to 1 ratio before I managed to isolate an idle Reb regiment and rout them with my previously retreated regiments, while my third regiment remained at the VP. In the end I suffered 136 more casualties than inflicted, around a 1 to 2 ratio.
Umm, it has changed significantly. For starters, the scenario now lasts only 40 minutes -- your description sounds like it used to last an hour.

The victory location now starts at 50 ppm. I rush up and grab it within a minute so as to quickly garner free points during the reb form up and bombardment.

At somepoint, it increases in value to 150 points per minute -- maybe 15 minutes into the scenario? But, you have a significant amount of time during which you are unable to hold the thing due to Rebel uber-brigades sweeping through and melee routing anything in their path. I moved in, fell back, waited a few minutes, then moved back in and held for the final 15 minutes of the scenario, having no regiments rout and routing several reb regiments (and having a heck of a good ratio of kills), but only had 2700 points in my latest try.

If I have the time periods right, you could theoretically score 750 points for holding the location the first 15 minutes, then another 3750 points for holding the location the remaining 25 minutes of the scenario. This would leave you 500 points short of the major victory, so you would also have to achieve some major combat victories with what seem to be (post beta, again) more fragile Vermont regiments.

I think if the point values were increased to 100 ppm for the first 15 minutes, then 200 ppm for the remaining 25 minutes, this might, MIGHT be a doable scenario. Another alternative MIGHT be increasing the time period, but that is dicier and more dependent upon which variant you get.

Steve
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bscottskangum wrote:
13 minutes in, 5 minutes at vp, sneaking out, sneaking back in, then holding for 30 minutes. This is not the same time frame as us, we have a total of 40 minutes allowed for this scenario.
Take the points off that you scored in the last 20 minutes of your scenario and see what your score was lol B)
Yeah, this one got clipped 20 mins., that was a good move. You're right, whole new ballgame. I'll give this one another go, see if it's a genuine concern. Just remember...VARIANTS.
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RebBugler wrote:
bscottskangum wrote:
13 minutes in, 5 minutes at vp, sneaking out, sneaking back in, then holding for 30 minutes. This is not the same time frame as us, we have a total of 40 minutes allowed for this scenario.
Take the points off that you scored in the last 20 minutes of your scenario and see what your score was lol B)
Yeah, this one got clipped 20 mins., that was a good move. You're right, whole new ballgame. I'll give this one another go, see if it's a genuine concern. Just remember...VARIANTS.
Variants don't seem to be the problem. Between us, I would suspect Scott and I have played this thing at least two dozen times, enough to see all possible variants. And, given our success in almost every other scenario, the similar problems we are having raises one's suspicions about this one.

Heck, before I saw Scott's thread, I was about to post my own saying almost the same thing he did in the bug reports category.

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MrSpkr wrote:
This one is tough. I took the cowardly approach to score adequately. Hold,
If I have the time periods right, you could theoretically score 750 points for holding the location the first 15 minutes, then another 3750 points for holding the location the remaining 25 minutes of the scenario. This would leave you 500 points short of the major victory, so you would also have to achieve some major combat victories with what seem to be (post beta, again) more fragile Vermont regiments.

Steve
Yeah its 50 points for 13 minutes, then 150 the rest of the way. I actually pointed this out in my first post in this thread, you could at MAX score 4500 from objective points in the 40 minutes given, and this is without EVER losing the objective.

And as I said in the first post, this leads to a minimum of 500 points having to be scored by fighting with your conscript infantry and that is if you never lose the objective.

But as I said twice before, this was all pointed out in my original post... :P
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But as I said twice before, this was all pointed out in my original post... :P
You had an original post? :blink:

:)

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But just assume for a second that you could somehow hold the objective for the entire scenario and not be forced into hand to hand combat, you still need 500 points to be earned in fighting from 3 regiments of conscript infanty :blink: Shenanigans!
I'm just going to point this out 1 more time... :laugh:

I am reiterating my claim of Shenanigans!
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Just played a quickie, got my butt kicked. Yep, points don't add up good even if you could hold the whole time...which you can't. I'll discuss this one with LP, I think he scored it in it's final version.
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Just played a quickie, got my butt kicked. Yep, points don't add up good even if you could hold the whole time...which you can't. I'll discuss this one with LP, I think he scored it in it's final version.
Good deal. It confirms I'm not crazy.

Scott, on the other hand . . . :P

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MrSpkr wrote:
RebBugler wrote:
Just played a quickie, got my butt kicked. Yep, points don't add up good even if you could hold the whole time...which you can't. I'll discuss this one with LP, I think he scored it in it's final version.
Good deal. It confirms I'm not crazy.

Scott, on the other hand . . . :P


Steve
Is there a problem here??

As I said in my first post, this scenario started to fray my nerves :silly:

Good to know I'm not completely alone here in my analysis of the impossibility to get the 5000....with that being said I did come close at one point with a score of 4896...that was a long time ago, before I went mental :P
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Here's what you need to do :)

Bug Little Powell to rescore this. Then he submits a new score for this and I put it in the patch.
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