32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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ironsight wrote:
Well if anyone is still interested, i finally ordered my custom PC from a local PC place.
I went with an Intel MOBO probably not the fastest or best choice but hopefully it'll be more stable than the rest of the pack.

Here's the basic specs:
-Intel DX48 gaming mother board, up to 1600 FSB, Express X48 chipset, OC'ing options
-Intel2 Quad Q9650 processor, 12MB L2 cache, 45nM, 3GHz clock, 1333 FSB
-4 Gigs DDR3 1333 RAM
-nVidia GTX-280 with 1Gig on board memory
-850 Watt PS
-500Gig server quality HD with 32MB cache
-XP Pro 32bit OS. Decided to stick with XP for as long as i can, Vista64 maybe in the future when 64 bit SW becomes more common or Vista32 when uSoft stops supporting XP.
-And most important, a plain-jane case. No futuristic goofy looking Star Wars case for me...hopelessly old school i geuss! :)

With this rig, if i still get momentary freezes during TC2M, i give up!:angry:
Awesome!! DDR3 Ram @ 1333, I can't believe you would have any hiccups with TC2M. Quad 3Ghz, very nice. I built my PC last year and I would have loved to have gotten DDR3 Ram, but I guess I will stick with my 4GB of DDR2:lol: Do you do any hardcore gaming? That GTX-280 is awesome and beats up on my ATI 4870. Congrats on the new rig!!
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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Howdy Chantilly!
As far as the dial up situation, since i live out in the country in a relatively remote area (even got a 100yard rifle range on my property), when i ask MaBell about DSL they just laugh!:(
Satelite is about the only option but i'm balking at the price tag since my mo. phone bill is already $40 plus DishTV which is around $70. About the only benefit satelite would provide would be for large downloads like CMP3.0 which i calculated would take me 11+hours to download with my dialup assuming no telco dropouts or thunderstorms.
For mult-player?.. probably no good because of the 'built-in' satelite latency issues.

The only hope for DSL is if they build a large subdivision near my property but the way the housing market is these days, i won't hold my breath.
So for the foreseeable future, i'm stuck with dialup...And YouTube! What the hell is that?:(
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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JC, estabu,
Yeah i don't think i'll have anymore freezes with the new rig. Hopefully this thing won't be obsolete in a couple years. Right now with all h-res options off, no bkgrnd sound, low drawing distances, etc. i still get occasional really annoying TC2M freezes especially with Antietam and Fburg. Large battles are out of the question.

JC, i've got an external HD which works great. I use it mainly for backup and archiving though. I could be wrong here but mine is a USB version which probably limits throughput compared to an internal SATA or other internal bus HD. Why not just update your internal drive?
Speaking of drives, i was also considering a RAID set up but maybe sometime down the line. Hell i was even considering installing two bootable drives, one with a Vista OS for surfing the web and the other with XP for gaming and other demanding applications.

estabu, i thought long and hard about building my own rig too. Finally i figured because of my dial up situation and the probable need to update/download drivers and such i didn't want the headache. The people building my rig are going to update all current drivers and XP updates.
No i'm not really a hard-core gamer just a Civil War buff who doesn't want freezes during TC2M. The other thing is i'll be able to buy that 3-D CAD SW i always wanted.
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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B) I am using vista home premium 32 bit os not having trouble at all with bull run or Take Command 2-manassas It is suggested to have a better power supply these days if you got a high end graphics card
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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Hi dan1862!
I finally re-found the '10X more powerful system needed' quote for Vista. It was an EVGA site and not a uSoft site as i previously mentioned.

http://www.evga.com/vista/essential.asp

"To fully experience Windows Vista, Microsoft and other industry experts recommend using a PC that is 10 times more powerful than those required by previous generations of Windows"

Don't know how true or realistic but that quote pushed my decision to the XP side of the XP-Vista fence. I think in a couple years we're all gonna be using Vista like it or not.
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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I am going to skip vista and just go to Windows 7. It is estimated to come out in 2010, hopefully they will get ride of some of the extra junk.
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This begs the question, what happened to Windows1,2,3,4,5,6 :lol:
First i heard of a Windows7! Hopefully XP'll hang aroung for a while until this replaces it?
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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http://windows7news.com/

Here is a little news about it.
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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Thanks for the link estabu! Real interesting!
I like this quote from BillyG himself:

"We're hard at work, I would say, on the next version, which we call Windows 7. I'm very excited about the work being done there. The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone, so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized between them, and so you don't have a lot of work to move that data back and forth.
Previous assumptions that Microsoft would indeed avoid a Vista 2 and make Windows 7 faster and resource friendly seem to come true. Connectivity seems to be another keyword that is taken seriously in Windows 7.
The whole transcript of the speech is available at the Microsoft Presspass website.
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Re:32 bit, 64 bit, NSD and Vista?

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Finally got my new rig home the other day, so FWIW here's the update.

Old rig background!
First off, my old now backup PC has these specs: Pentium P4 @ 2.4GHz, 2Gigs memory, NVidia 6800 GPU. Playing LARGE battles due to screen freezes was so painful, they were pretty much out of the question even with hi-res & ambient sound off, AI=lo, etc. Medium battles were tolerable with the bells&whistles turned off with only low to medium rates of mostly quick freezes depending on the amount of action going on. The Antietam and Fburg mods had more and longer freezes but were at least still playable but still frustrating at times especially when panning the Antietam battle field.
Also interesting, during the middle of LARGE battles, i'd have to coax and even sometimes sit my wagon on top of a stubborn gun for a while before it decided to resupply. I suspect the resupply algorithm has a low priority interupt or something similar.

Now the new rig!
I played a large OP Antietam1 battle yesterday with every concievable hi-res option turned on, max drawing distances, AI=hi, etc., etc. Only one sub second freeze AND panning the battle field even during the battle peak was smooth. Tried the Fburg-lite mod with the same parameters set with the same excellent results. Can't wait to try the full-metal Fburg mod!
No probems resupplying batteries now either. I can run the wagon at full gallop speed through the battery and they'll quickly resupply.
What a night 'n day difference!

For any of you who can do so and if the game is sluggish, you might want to consider updating that old rig.
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