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I imagine that a lot of reference material is needed? After writing my post above I started wondering at the level of knowledge one would need to make a map. Specifically something like the heights you mentioned. So, I started with the Battle of Belmont as that was relatively simple and not too large and started looking at maps of it and realised that most of the ones I could find were rather useless when it comes to details and heights. So, it's a combination of various resources you need I suppose?
Yes, the map maker will need several reference maps. The popular battles are easier because typically, several great historic reference maps are available. Hotchkiss produced some excellent, detailed maps. But they were not very accurate as far as scale. On the other hand, Michler produced some maps they may not have been as detailed, but the scale accuracy is stunning.. I remember lining up a Michler map to the actual digital terrain of Fredericksburg, and my jaw dropped... The scale was so close that he must have had an alien craft or something to fly over and survey the terrain.. :laugh:

So thats why you need multiple maps.. And that's just for the roads, streams, wood lines, fields.. etc. The actual height data is a whole different animal. There is a method of obtaining the elevations from digital height data (or DEMs), or actually tracing a topographic map, hand coloring the contour lines.
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Topographical maps. That takes me back to my army days. Those maps we used were great! Spent a lot of time learning to read maps back then. Ha! I just remembered, since we were the logistics company for the division we'd act as one of the two mobile commands for division leadership so we all had to take a course in NATO counters and doing all the map stuff when it comes to plotting troop movements and supply lines. I imagine in case the regular staff was blown up or something. I spent so much time pouring over fictional troop movements on maps of Denmark.

Anyway, back on track: another note of thanks for indulging my curiosity. Goes to show that I need to have even more respect for the mappers than I already had. Sounds like fascinating, if hard work.

It seems that after starting to read about the Civil War it's becoming a hole that's deeper and deeper and I can just keep diving in. Always more detail to be had.
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I have raised this point in forum before but it seems appropriate to air it again during the current discussion.

In TC2M a fine new map was created 'Cedar Road' simply (and I use this word guardedly !!) by altering the heights over an existing map area thereby modifying the terrain substantially.

Is a similar thing not possible with the SOWGB maps ? It must be easier than starting completely from scratch and might even be possible for me to learn it.

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Garnier has already released 100 plus maps as part of the GCM package. Have these been utilised for sandbox play? Frankly, if scenarios aren't a must have then these might tick your ACW box.

From experience, creating mods of real battlefields is time consuming so appreciate Norbsoft want to stay focused on the new project. ;)
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yes definetly i wanna do waterloo, toot to the loo my darling!
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I had the same question as Ingles regarding TC2M conversions? Isn't alot just in the graphics?
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Hi,

need help it seems getting this scenario to work. My issue is it ctd as it is loading shrubbery for any of the single scenarios. SOW-G version 1.5 Thanks
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Please upgrade to version 1.61 over at Matrix to solve your problem.

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